Conversations: Bad Dietary Habits, Progress, Adulthood, and Basket Cases

LORI: Hiya, Pete.

What’s your plan for today? Do you have any housework you need to accomplish? I don’t have Zach’s routine down yet. Do you think you’ll be able to write 250 words before noon?

PETE: Captain’s Log: Nothing done so far today, except some tea, some headache pills, and a baby who will not sleep and will not stop shouting. Neither cleaning nor writing done so far. REALLY don’t feel like doing either. Would quite like to sit on the couch and stare at the TV.

This is not helped by the fact that I’m dissatisfied with the idea of the scene that comes next, in Nondescript. But, on further thought, I think I know how to make it work. Or at least, to function. So if Zach ever shuts down…

And that’s the first half of MY day. And I would ask how you two are, but you’re both off and having lives and have abandoned me to the currents of the InterWebbie!

LORI: Truthfully, I haven’t accomplished a lot today yet, either. I haven’t showered. I had chocolate and Diet Coke for breakfast. I have researched markets and am just finishing the cover letters for the two submissions I want to send out today. The rest of the packets are ready. I’m getting ready to put my gi pants and t-shirt into the washer for tonight’s practice.

My lack of accomplishment is no excuse for you. (Zach, however, is.) When the baby’s fussing, I’m only asking for 250-500 words. You can sneak them in after Wyfe gets home.

What dissatisfies you about the scene that comes next? How do you think you can make it work? Talk it out at us.

PETE: You had chocolate and diet coke? For breakfast?

The next time ANYONE complains about me having Jambalaya, or fried chicken, for breakfast, I am going to point at you as my justification.

(I haven’t showered either. Bad me. Naughty me. No cookie.)

…My problem with the next scene — at least, the next major plot-moving scene, is that it’s another conversation-with-Dillinger scene. And it has to be that way, because it has to be overheard, and people are going to talk to Dillinger. He’s in charge. I just recently had a Sheriff Peyton-talks-to-Dillinger scene, and a Joanna-talks-to-Dillinger scene. I was originally going to have a “Joanna and Johnny” scene, except that there would be nothing for them to say but mushy stuff (Maybe. I don’t know. Hmmm). And I was going to have the “Persephone wakes up” scene, but can’t think of a point for it, other than her saying thank you to Casey, who is sulking some more.

It’s knotty. I don’t want another Dillinger scene right this split second. I have other secondary plot-lines (Johnny’s mom, Johnny’s dad), but I’ve ignored that plot through the whole novel, because I didn’t know how it fit, and I’ll add those scenes in during second draft.

(Maybe that’s the solution: write the Dillinger scene, be aware that the rhythm might be a tiny bit awkward, add in a scene later in second draft.)

The problem with the Johnny and Joanna scene that I realized when I sat down to write it is, there’s no real drama. The problem is that Johnny is a sane, level-headed young man. The BIGGER problem is that his girlfriend is even MORE sane and smart and cool and sharp and therefore, she’s not going to be weepy and going “Why? Whyyyyyy?” She’s going to chide Johnny once and say “You should have told me,” and he’s going to say “Sorry,” and…..short scene. :)

I dunno. I’m stewing on it. (This wouldn’t be a huge problem, but this is one of those days where I’m unconvinced that the Nondescript is anything but a plodding, plodding mess with no drama). I’ve got my big sloppy notebook open and I would have been writing notes to myself, except I just wrote them in an e-mail to you. I should do that more often. :)

(You would never speak to me again).

You had your whole day listed out, Lori. Get moving! The world won’t know what to do with itself if you start slacking off wildly. This is all because the three of us chatted last night. It made you want to just chill and hang, dude. :)

LORI: In your wildest dreams I’d never talk to you again. That just won’t happen, Pete. You’re stuck, forever and ever. You mean printing out synopses, the appropriate pages for two different agents, creating mailing labels, trying to figure out where my stamps ended up, and going through my market newsletters isn’t enough for a Monday morning? Geez. And you accuse me of being a slave driver. (Oh, I also read some of the next book I’m reviewing and looked through industry news.) I forgot to mention all of that stuff in my last e-mail, didn’t I? It’s because I didn’t think of it. I was just thinking I really need to get a shower and dressed and think about lunch before my haircut, which I’m always late for.

You can type out notes or thoughts that you need to at me anytime, Pete. I’m betting Kristine won’t mind either.

What’s wrong with a really short Johnny and Joanna scene? Just to satisfy the readers? Also, nothing wrong with another Dillinger scene, even if you know the rhythm might have to be fixed in rewrite. This is all draft. It’s okay to write crap. It doesn’t have to be perfect. It just has to move forward.

250-500 words by the end of the day – screaming baby or no.

KRISTINE: I love reading as you hammer out your thoughts, Pete.  Think of us as a sounding board.  It makes you seem more sane than ranting at the walls :D

PETE: I can’t write crap knowing its crap. Not even first draft. It’s gotta work for me. And in second draft, maybe I can make it work better. But I can’t just say “I’ll slop out a scene here, fix it into something useful later.” That’s why a whole sub-plot has been left out so far, even though it’s important. I couldn’t get the rhythm right, until the rest of the story was done up.

If *I* did all that stuff that you just listed, it would be stellar accomplishment. For YOU, that’s a slow day. The world expects more of you. They just expect me to maybe shower once in awhile, or flatten my hair a bit. :D

I think I know how to do the Johnny and Joanna scene, but it’s got to come AFTER the Dillinger conversation. Because it’s a short scene (Johnny’s,) I’ll mix it up with the next important scene and have it be interrupted. That way, I can say the three sentences I need to, and then get on with it. Well, maybe I can do a….

Oh…..SWEET. Haha! Figured it out! HAHA! EXCUSE ME, I MUST GO WRITE!

LORI: I expect more of you than just the occasional shower and flattening your hair a bit.

PETE: That’s good. You should. It’s important for our reach to extend our grasp, or else what is heaven for? :P

(The problem with showering, I have found — and I can’t imagine you want to hear this at all — is that I have a very, VERY limited time frame in which to do it throughout the week. Because I can’t do it when Zach’s awake. He freaks out, because for whatever reason, he can tell I’m out of the room and not going to come at the slightest sound. So I have to wait until he’s asleep. But! When he’s asleep, I also am able to do: dishes, cleaning, writing, e-mail, eating some food that I haven’t eaten all day, taking my daily ibuprofens, etc, etc, etc, and somehow, showering usually falls behind the “eating” bit. And shaving? Right. Out.)

***

Progress! I got the halfway scene that I had no direction for (which, if I ever write a sequel Nondescript novel, this scene will suddenly be much more relevant) and then I used it to segue into the important Dillinger scene, and now it’ll be understandably important when the reader sees what Dillinger’s talking about. Har! Talking things out DOES work!

887 words. Progress.

LORI: Good work, Pete.

KRISTINE: Excellent! :D

PETE: Thank yew. And now, I reward myself by scooping the kitty litter. Oh, the pampering! And what have you done?

[No one responds.]

I’m GLAD neither of you talk to me. It’s so dreary. So much work. I much prefer these long periods (sixty minutes! SIXTY!) of endless silence during which I can do fun things, like eat cake and ice cream and have friends and a million billion dollars and a pony by MYSELF.

[Still no response.]

*witters on all by himself*

So, there’s a Super 8 which is, like, some damn place around here, Myne Wyfe is not very specific, and the woman she works with, her daughter, she runs it, and there’s an opening for a thingie, at the thing, from 11pm to 7am, and it’s a desk job but it’s got maintenance – and a little known fact about me is how very mechanical I am, it’s little known because it isn’t true — and the job is mine if I want it. Hooray! But they won’t let me write ON THE CLOCK, which is oppressive of them. Boo! So depending on what I find out, I will join the working force at exactly the hours that YOU are sleeping!

Or something. :-)

KRISTINE: But would those hours work out with Zach and the wyfe’s schedule and all the writing and stuff?

PETE: AGAIN WITH THE QUESTIONS!

I have no idea. Myne Wyfe works days, so I’d be getting home as she’d be going in. And with Zach, no idea. No point in working a job just to cover the cost of daycare, you know? On the other hand, I don’t know about working overnight AND tending to a screaming attack baby. But it’s full time, and … stuff…. :)

*and he’s off!*

LORI: I had to get a haircut and find food and clean the dojo, because I now clean the dojo instead of paying for my lessons because my sensei, who owns the dojo, is now in a doctorate program.

KRISTINE: I had to . . .  who am I kidding, I didn’t have to do anything today.  Except boil water to wash in!  Never underestimate the joy of HOT running water.

PETE: Here is your guys’s’s’s’s motivation for tomorrow:

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/18/funny-pictures-voices-tell-me-things/

And after it motivates you, stay away from me!

KRISTINE: I liked this one. [lolcat attached.]

PETE: A final 143 words for tonight, which brings me to 1,030 for the day, which isn’t as high over my 1,000 mark as previous days, but I don’t care. It’s late, I’m really tired. So I hit a thousand. Tomorrow and Wednesday, Myne Wyfe’s off, so now I have to figure out how to work in my thousand-word schedule into her days off. I haven’t done this previously. It isn’t taking me that long to write 1,000 words, so I think I’ll swing it.

KRISTINE: It’s progress, and that’s all that matters.

Not just that, but good progress.  Slow and steady wins the race :)

PETE: What’s surprising me — and it’s probably a no-brainer to you guys– is how steadily the word count is going up, and how just-fine it works for me, mentally, to manage 1,000 words a day. Some days, I think I’m picking up steam again and can easily manage 2 or 3 (although I’ve yet to see if I can do more than 1k in a session with the stone keyboard). But knowing that I just have the 1k mark to clear, and then clearing it, is very useful.

So, between that, and learning to take meandering notes (and occasionaly meandering e-mails at you lot), and shutting down my blogging, I’m getting my pieces together. God forbid anything ELSE changes my status quo, because I can’t put all this together again… :-)

LORI: Well, you’re going to have to put it together again. And again. And again. Over and over again until the day that you’re planted.

The only way the “status quo” remains the same, unchanged, is if you and your life stagnate or if you die. The first isn’t likely to happen and the latter probably won’t happen for a good long time. Even if you do die tomorrow, or next week, or next month, there’s no guarantee that there’s not continued evolution and change and shifting balances in the next realm, too, so you can’t even count on achieving permanent balance then.

The true trick is developing the ability to recognize when what you’re currently doing, or attempting to do, is no longer working for you. At that point, you must step back and say, “What changed? How did it change? How do I need to adapt to meet this new situation and still be able to achieve my goals? How can I balance everything?” This involves being able to recognize what is immutable, what your true priorities are, and your own limits, how much you can truly juggle at one time.

My mother is, by nature, a very organized person. The one thing she taught me is that you can never change the person that you are. To be an organized individual, you must recognize your own true habits, even when they are far from the ideal, and change your corner of the world to match your own personal flow and lifestyle. For example, I collect papers. I always have. Things that I think are neat. Little stories. Things I might like to turn into an article. This is not likely to change. My own nature, the person that I truly am, is also not likely to open a file cabinet drawer and file them neatly away every time I come home either. Just not going to happen. However, I do tend to lay or drop them in the same place each time. So, what’s the solution to keep my living space from looking cluttered and filled with paper? Baskets. Big, open baskets and bins set right where the paper lands anyway. It keeps it contained, looks far neater than cascading papers, and they’re there, right where I put them, when I’m ready for them.

This is all you’ve been doing this week, Pete. You’ve been examining your own personal habits and lifestyle and figuring out what works for you, how to achieve a balance and flow that fits your current, personal dynamic. When something changes to mess with the flow – when you get a job or Zach starts walking – when what you’re currently doing stops working, it will be time to step back, reassess, and figure out the new dynamic, the new pattern, the new flow, so you can shift your center and continue forward in the most balanced way possible. It will never be perfect. It will never be ideal. You will never be finished adjusting and adapting. That’s not a bad thing.

PETE: Lori, I love you.

Baskets! THAT might be the solution to the cascading glacial formations of paper that Myne Wyfe forms all over the dining room table, the kitchen bar, the FLOOR, etc, etc. The house would be perfectly tidy,thanks to my efforts, except for her papers which I am not allowed to throw away…!

As for all the rest, you are, as always entirely accurate. All of it is part of “being an adult,” (or, failing that, being a human being who continues to function) neither of which I’m terribly good at.

KRISTINE: Exactly that.  I had to learn, through trial and error, that my corner of the kitchen is just where I plop my stuff – there’s no two ways about it, no matter how many times I tried to get creative and make a place elsewhere in the house to put my “stuff”.  So, realizing that, I put a basket in that corner of the kitchen, and now place all my daily detritus in that basket.

It keeps things looking neater and cleaner, and keeps my crap in one spot.  Then every weekend I can go through it and weed it all out to start the week clean and uncluttered again.

Although you realize, this is where the term “Basket Case” probably comes from :D

LORI: In this case, love my mother. It was her solution to the cascading, glacial formations of paper that littered my bedroom floor as a teenager.

As for the adult thing, it rather sucks at times, I know, but it’s not really half bad once you get used to it and has more benefits than negatives. Promise. ;)

KRISTINE: The best part about being an adult is that you can eat anything you want.

The worst part about being an adult is that you have to buy it.

38 Responses to “Conversations: Bad Dietary Habits, Progress, Adulthood, and Basket Cases”

  1. Pete Tzinski Says:

    I can eat anything I want, I just get no sympathy when my stomach wants to crawl out and leave…. :D

    I love how we post an article talking about my writerly meanderings, my lack of hygiene, and Lori’s astonishing breakfast choices. And we call it an “article.” It’s like eating KFC, and then trying to make it tax deductible…. :D

  2. mymidnightmuse Says:

    And in this one, I come out looking squeaky clean :D

  3. Lori Basiewicz Says:

    Which is very hard to do without hot water.

  4. Pete Tzinski Says:

    (is that DROOL off that smiley face tongue, you have to wonder?)

  5. Lori Basiewicz Says:

    I think it’s a razzberry, although she could be salivating over the thought of fried chicken for breakfast (which I personally see nothing wrong with.)

  6. Pete Tzinski Says:

    It’s a perfectly fine breakfast dish. I mean, what else are you going to have? A bowl of bran, moistened with bovine extract? I think not. Fried chicken is far more reasonable.

  7. mymidnightmuse Says:

    I had peach/mango soy yogurt this morning, thank you very much!

    and I’m STILL waiting for the hot water heater fixer guys. Humph

  8. tjwriter Says:

    Pancakes with fresh blueberries mixed in for me.

    My mom cooks breakfast for me when I drop Little Britches off. Otherwise I’d be having coffee for breakfast every morning.

    And Pete, I read all that, and I am glad I am not alone in the struggles of trying to manage everything. Finding a chance to take a shower is hard for me too. Except my toddler does *interesting* things while unsupervised. When she was smaller, I’d put her portable swing or her Exersaucer in the bathroom while I showered, so she knew I was right there and I could stick my face out and talk to her. But our master bathroom has a bit of floor space.

    Email me if you want to toss some ideas back and forth on kiddo stuff. It’s not been that long ago since Pip (with a long I – She nicknamed herself) was that size. Plus, we’re going to start working on number 2, so I could use to hone my skills.

  9. tjwriter Says:

    Oh, and I forgot to mention that I’ll eat fried chicken any time, any place.

  10. Lori Says:

    Oh, no one’s alone in trying to manage it all. It can’t be done. We can only strive to do the best we can.

    I agree about the fried chicken. One of these days, I’m going to try Pete’s jambalaya. I’m sure I’ll like it, regardless of what time of day it is.

  11. Lori Says:

    I know it sounds weird and odd and unbelievable, but the more we (generic we) HAVE to do, the more we are able to do.

  12. Pete Tzinski Says:

    I agree with Lori’s last point. I know that when I was working hard, hard phyiscal jobs, I also got lots of writing done and I slept less. That said, er, I’d rather not have the frantically busy day job, thanx. :)

    Lori, some day you need to come stay here for long enough that I can feed you multiple meals. I’ll give you crunchy southern fried chicken, jambalaya, and maybe creole, if I can be budged. You may never move again, but you will be happy !

  13. Shadow Ferret Says:

    I’m starting to feel like I’m eavesdropping on a private conversation and that I shouldn’t be intruding.

  14. mymidnightmuse Says:

    I’ll feed anyone who drops by, but it means we’ll be going out for food :D

  15. Lori Basiewicz Says:

    Nah. You’re not eavesdropping, Ed. You’re being invited to pull a seat up to the table and chat with us. Would you like a beer? Soda? How about some chips and salsa?

  16. tjwriter Says:

    Good luck coming to my house and not getting fed. It’s a family thing.

    My dad’s mother would, fully aware that people were bringing the meal, fix a full dinner, like pot roast with potatoes and beans. She was always concerned if you didn’t eat while visiting. My dad’s the same way. So am I.

    And we all, my daughter included, have the fried chicken gene. :)

  17. Shadow Ferret Says:

    I just had pizza for breakfast. Fried pizza. Mmm. I wonder why they don’t make fried pizza. You’d think Pizza Hut, trying to get an edge on feeding the lard asses in the world, what with stuffed crusts and dippers and such, would have thought, “Hey, what if we FRY the crust?” It wouldn’t be that hard. Just keep a griddle in the oven, so it’s always hot, put a tiny spray of olive oil on it, and VOILA! You have the most delicious taste treat EVAH!

    Oh, and coffee. I don’t drink soda.

  18. mymidnightmuse Says:

    It’s not that I wouldn’t want to feed everyone, I just don’t like to cook all that much :D It’s like trying to figure out what I want for lunch, or dinner. I’d rather someone just come along and tell me what to make, instead of leaving it up to me.

    But I will say, we’re in the habit of making up a menu for the week, then grocery shopping according to that menu. It’s a pain in the ass every weekend trying to come up with a week’s worth of dinners, but it makes shopping a breeze and takes the guesswork out of “what am I making tonight?”

  19. tjwriter Says:

    Yes it does, Kristine. I am working toward being able to do that every week. I have a huge folder of recipes I’d like to try, but I never seem to get to them.

    So I am probably going to build an Access database or something to hold recipes and let me search on them the way I want to. Then I can chuck some money at my husband’s cousin who cleans for us and she’ll type them in for me.

    Or I may use this home calendar/planner software I found that has a recipe database in it, so you can drag and drop meals, allowing you to plan a month at a time.

  20. Shadow Ferret Says:

    We’re awful with meals. We try to make up a menu each week, then buy food to fit that menu, but because we both work and often get home later, we’re both too tired to bother cooking anything nutritious so we end up eating frozen somethings or boxed somethings that can be whipped up in a half an hour. Or we go fast food.

    And yes, I know we should cook it the night before so we can nuke it the next day when we get home, but we’re often too busy with the kids, or other things, to do that either.

    So even though we have that menu and we don’t have to say “What’s for dinner tonight” we often go, “I’m too tired to do that!”

  21. tjwriter Says:

    I get up really early on purpose so that I can have some free time before the day begins. If I know what I am cooking and I know it’s going to be a long day, I prep things ahead. I get out the pots and pans I need, and put them on the stove. If the instant mashed potatoes (there are some good ones that taste pretty homemade with minor modification) require I cup of water, I’ll put that in the pan and put the lid on. If a baking sheet needs to be lined with foil, I’ll go ahead and do that.

    When I get home, I can just go straight to the kitchen and start cooking by flipping switches and turning knobs. It saves me a bit of time in the evening when I am worn out.

    I just need to plan better so that I shop more efficiently and am ready when the week comes. That’s my biggest issue. I planned this week and it helped a ton.

    Oh, and I also try to plan one or two really easy meals (skillet dinners, pizza, etc.). If something happens one day I can swap those meals and save myself some extra work on that hard day.

  22. Lori Basiewicz Says:

    I need to figure out something to cook for dinner tomorrow. There’s a ton of cookbooks just a few feet from me. Many of them specific for the crockpot, which is just about my favorite cooking appliance.

    Tori, you might want to consider three-ring binders, sleeve protectors, and photo pages to organize your recipes. It really works great.

  23. Shadow Ferret Says:

    That wouldn’t work for me, Tori, I’m not a morning person. And I won’t waste my valuable free time at night cooking at 11pm either. Because of family obligations I have about 1-1/2 hours after everyone goes to bed dedicated to me to do all my reading, writing, exercising, movie watching, drinking, and hobbying.

  24. MidnightMuse Says:

    In a way, I’m jealous of those of you who can resort to boxed things and frozen stuff when the need arises. Thanks to the majority of quick and easy things containing dairy – or MSG – my sister and I can’t do that. It’s cook, or go hungry (or, okay, OUT :D ) ’swhy we treat ourselves to what we call Martini Night – typically Fridays, we go out for dinner. It’s our one indulgence, but it’s also the first thing to get cut out of our schedule whenever we need to save up some cash for a major purchase.

  25. tjwriter Says:

    I didn’t say cooking, Ed. Just doing the prep work for cooking. Like 15 minutes worth of getting things ready so cooking is easy.

    And lucky you to get 1.5 hours every night. Must be nice.

  26. tjwriter Says:

    I’d like to move away from boxed things, Kristine. Once I get this system working well, I’d like to move to more fresh products, less packaged. But they do save us many a night where time is short. I hate eating at my daughter’s bedtime.

  27. Pete Tzinski Says:

    Growing up, I was awfully allergic to both MSG and food coloring, so I ate wonderfully natural stuff. Somewhere around my fourteenth birthday, the allergies cleared out.

    I really adore cooking, and I’m slowly taking advantage of my time at home to do more and more of it. Jambalaya for family and friends, for example. This week, I’m forcing everyone to eat proper southern Creole. And if I remember to find the pan, banana nut bread.

    Jeremy, my friend down the hall, always comes out of left field having made the most interesting things from scratch. Last week, he made chili. Last night, he made guacamole (I don’t much care for guacamole, but it was pretty good).

    It’s a delightful thing to do, when I can get my neurosis under control long enough to make something and not fret about not writing… :)

  28. Lori Says:

    There are some bananas going bad on the counter right now. I was eyeing them just last night and thinking I should turn them into some banana nut muffins or mini-loaves.

  29. tjwriter Says:

    People get their inspiration for writing from doing activities like cooking. Consider it a chance for your brain to clear out and refresh. When I am stuck on something that’s making my head hurt, my best luck is to get away from it for a bit.

    I, too, have some bananas on the counter. I was going to make banana pudding.

  30. MidnightMuse Says:

    OMG, Banana Nut Bread ! Frak, now I’m craving it.

    My best writing inspirations come when I’m outside, either walking or working on the rocks. I suppose if I enjoyed cooking, they’d come when I was doin’ that, too. Though I do sit on the kitchen floor and get story ideas while cutting perfectly good computer keys apart :D

  31. Pete Tzinski Says:

    My walks always used to get aborted, because I’d get five minutes away from the house and have worked myself into such a jazz over my story that I’d run home to do the next scene. I never brought a notebook with me, and still won’t. But I started forcing myself to keep walking and thinking. Walks are a writer’s best friend, until you get run over. See? Cooking is a safer pursuit. :)

  32. Pete Tzinski Says:

    Things I’m craving to make soon:

    1) Banana Nut bread

    2) Pineapple Upside-Down Cake

    3) Homemade Coleslaw (never done it before, but at least I know that if I make it myself, there won’t be any pineapple in it…)

  33. tjwriter Says:

    Sounds good. Except the pineapple coleslaw bit. That’s just weird.

  34. Pete Tzinski Says:

    I know! Who puts pineapple in coleslaw? (A pervert, that’s who…!)

  35. tjwriter Says:

    I need to get some vermouth and some pork tenderloin tips. Then I’m gonna make my husband grill.

    There’s this GrillMates Mesquite marinade, and if you sub the vermouth for the water, it’s heavenly. The best flavor seems to come out on the pork, but it’s excellent on steak too.

  36. mymidnightmuse Says:

    Mmmm, Vermouth

    Okay, I have no idea what that tastes like, but today’s Martini Night. I’ll be enjoying a Bahama Mama (double) during dinner, followed by coffee with Kahlua (no whip) as my dessert. Then I’ll go home, probably log on to the interwebbies, and say stupid things. :D

  37. Pete Tzinski Says:

    Oh god, she’s going to tell me I have pretty gams again….I feel like such an object


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